From Frank.Krell at dmns.org Fri Jun 20 00:54:49 2008 From: Frank.Krell at dmns.org (Frank.Krell at dmns.org) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:54:49 -0600 Subject: [Zoobank-list] ZooBank as solution for electronic publications In-Reply-To: <0ECBCEDC5396B844AFD49F5E9DC8267407015C@MAILSERVER2.akizci.ku.dk> References: <48457F1C.6000200@dplanet.ch> <48458542.D4A8.0059.0@ansp.org> <484657F1.3060201@dplanet.ch> <4846ABFF.E3FF.00CB.3@ukzn.ac.za> <4846AF17.3050102@dplanet.ch> <20080609173452.ym5hw54e0wcs0wow@umpda.um.edu.my> <484D3FAF.E3FF.00CB.3@ukzn.ac.za> <484D3ABE.D4A8.0059.0@ansp.org> <0ECBCEDC5396B844AFD49F5E9DC8267407015C@MAILSERVER2.akizci.ku.dk> Message-ID: <415CE940D8D4DD4A8E1258602EE9A1AB01451171@dmns-exch1.museum.dmns.org> Dear Commissioners et al., I am sure that Thomas's "Yes, definitely" for "robust" electronic archiving as an alternative to durability of physical copies is NOT shared by everybody which is dangerous and might be fatal for the ICZN. If we don't accept electronic publications, we are in danger to be considered irrelevant not so far in the future - at least by donors and funding agencies. Electronic publication is or soon will be mainstream. At the same time, electronic publications are NOT archival independently (because they need a technical interface to be human-readable). This topic is probably the most pressing to discuss, and a solution has to be found sooner than later. I am sure that everybody will be more confident if there is at least one obtainable physical copy available, still in times when pdf, DOS, Windows, CD drives, Linux and Microsoft are long gone. The easiest solution for electronic-only publications to turn available for nomenclatural purposes is ZooBank. Let's start ZooBank with electronic-only publications! Solution to electronic publishing: Electronic-only publications need to be registered to be nomenclaturally available. Registering contains sending a copy of the publication (or at least of the nomenclatural acts) to ICZN where it will be archived electronically in ZooBank and physically as print-out on archival paper. This registration is MANDATORY. It is completely up to the publishers whether they publish electronic-only (easy) or produce simultaneous numerous paper-copies (complicated and expensive). Nobody is forced to register their names if a print run is produced. If publishers want to avoid this hassle, well, then they or their authors have to register their names/nomenclatural acts in ZooBank. At the moment, this is not much volume to deal with and as such a good start for the whole registration business. It is a good way to introduce mandatory registration because it will be seen as a relief (no expensive paper copies have to be produced any more), and not as an obstacle. I have formulated changes in the Code necessary to allow mandatory registration in the technical discussion paper in Bull. Zool. Nom. 62(4), on p. 213 (on the ICZN webpage and at http://www.dmns.org/NR/rdonlyres/4491570A-3A43-4132-B137-2A4095EFAB4B/21 53/110BZN2004.pdf). This is just over one page. I will work on a version for electronic publications since mandatory registration for ALL nomenclatural acts/names is currently not an option. Any thoughts? Cheers Frank Dr Frank T. Krell Curator of Entomology Editor, Systematic Entomology Commissioner, International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature Department of Zoology Denver Museum of Nature & Science 2001 Colorado Boulevard Denver, CO 80205-5798 USA Frank.Krell at dmns.org Phone: (+1) (303) 370-8244 Fax: (+1) (303) 331-6492 http://www.dmns.org/main/en/General/Science/ScientificExperts/Biographie s/krellFrank.htm -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Pape [mailto:TPape at snm.ku.dk] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:12 PM To: Gary Rosenberg; mkottelat at dplanet.ch; Denis Brothers; LIM LEE HONG SUSAN; Richard Pyle; BruceHalliday; Frank T. Krell; Pavel Stys; Daphne Fautin; Zhi-QiangZhang; Mark Grygier; Laszlo Papp; David Patterson; iczn-em; Sven Kullander; Peter Ng; Nina Bogutskaya; Shunsuke Mawatari; Sandro Minelli; Gerardo Lamas; Nina Bogutskaya; Miguel Angel Alonso Zarazaga; Philippe Bouchet; Jan van Tol Subject: RE: Progress toward amendment on electronic publishing Gary asked: "Would commissioners be satisfied with robust archiving as an alternative to durability of physical copies?" My answer is: "Yes, definitely". A major obstacle to moving forwards with electronic publication certainly is the inherently much more ephemeral nature of electronic publications. Archiving is therefore crucial, but I think that we are now advanced to a level where 'robust' electronic archives DO exist. The Dark Archive solution looks acceptable to me. But apart from archiving, we would still need to define what exactly is an electronic publication - or in other words: what should and what should not be archived? /Thomas Pape -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. From neale at bishopmuseum.org Fri Jun 20 07:41:21 2008 From: neale at bishopmuseum.org (Neal Evenhuis) Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:41:21 -1000 Subject: [Zoobank-list] ZooBank as solution for electronic publications In-Reply-To: <415CE940D8D4DD4A8E1258602EE9A1AB01451171@dmns-exch1.museum.dmns.org> References: <48457F1C.6000200@dplanet.ch> <48458542.D4A8.0059.0@ansp.org> <484657F1.3060201@dplanet.ch> <4846ABFF.E3FF.00CB.3@ukzn.ac.za> <4846AF17.3050102@dplanet.ch> <20080609173452.ym5hw54e0wcs0wow@umpda.um.edu.my> <484D3FAF.E3FF.00CB.3@ukzn.ac.za> <484D3ABE.D4A8.0059.0@ansp.org> <0ECBCEDC5396B844AFD49F5E9DC8267407015C@MAILSERVER2.akizci.ku.dk> <415CE940D8D4DD4A8E1258602EE9A1AB01451171@dmns-exch1.museum.dmns.org> Message-ID: At 5:54 PM -0600 6/19/08, wrote: >Dear Commissioners et al., > >I am sure that Thomas's "Yes, definitely" for "robust" electronic >archiving as an alternative to durability of physical copies is NOT >shared by everybody which is dangerous and might be fatal for the ICZN. >If we don't accept electronic publications, we are in danger to be >considered irrelevant not so far in the future - at least by donors and >funding agencies. Electronic publication is or soon will be mainstream. >At the same time, electronic publications are NOT archival independently >(because they need a technical interface to be human-readable). If Frank's prophesy about a lack of change to allow electronic publication as the potential make the ICZN irrelevant is true, then one could also project that same prophesy to the ICBN and botany. Since the botanists change their Code much more frequently than zoologists, yet still have not accepted electronic publication, a query to those closely associated with their next edition might be in order to see what they are thinking along these lines. no doubt discussion has taken place among botanists. Electronic publication is taxonomy is not just a zoological thing. Not that we need to follow what the botanists are doing, but what they are thinking along these lines could be of value in discussions toward a new edition of the Code. -Neal -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.