Dear All,<br>
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<span style="font-style: italic;"> I think that an investment into
such an INSTITUTION is of STRATEGIC importance and it is not a
matter of taxonomists alone.</span><br>
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Obviously, English is not my native language :-) but you'll forgive me for that.<br>
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Sincerely,<br>
Adorian<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/13/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Adorian Ardelean</b> <<a href="mailto:mynature@gmail.com">mynature@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Hello Geoff,<br><br>I would argue that
a taxonomist NEEDS those names that are passionately called here
"rubbish names." Otherwise you may discard important
information.<br><br>Here are SOME of my points:<br>1. If you are a
taxonomist for sure you deal with names in literature published along
the years. I doubt there is a taxa group in which seminal authors did
not produce /or important taxonomic papers do not contain these so
called "rubbish names". <br>2. Just think, errors can
enter in the scene even after the text left the author's hands (as
you go backward in time this is more and more common)<br>3. Museum
specimens and inventories are not always in the hands of a
specialist. Errors may be found on labels and in databases. Do we
disregard these specimens because of a letter
reversed/doubled/omitted/transliterated? A "rubbish" name
may have got there not because of a careless taxonomist?<br>4. How
many variants of specific epithets can we find for names derived from
the <b>New Zealand</b> name? In the synonym list of a single
species!<br>5. Would you consider the quality of a taxonomic paper
based on names used alone?<br>
6. There are lots of projects that record/digitize names from literature (good or rubbish) having in mind points 1-5.<br>
7. BioIT can help and what was a
nightmare in the past can be an easy solution in the future (of
course for this to happen: the project needs stability to make sure
that any brick (e.g. rubbish sorting) is there for tomorrow and nobody
has to burn gas again to make the same brick). IT can
transform a registry of names into something useful for everybody -
not only for taxonomists, but everybody. I think and investment into
such an INSTITUTION it is of STRATEGIC importance & it is not a
matter of taxonomists alone. Avoid duplication and reuse the
same effort in an array of tasks that fulfill taxonomists needs and
beyond. Think with the future in mind and always flexibly accommodate
past in
your schema - because what you think is good & perfect now, WILL
be past in the following moments.<br><br>I hope my points will be
understood in a positive way & I am not affiliated with uBio<br><br>All the best,<br>Adorian<br>
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<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Geoff Read <<a href="mailto:g.read@niwa.co.nz" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
g.read@niwa.co.nz</a>><br>To: "Zoobank Discussion List (ICZN)" <<a href="mailto:zoobank-list@afriherp.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">zoobank-list@afriherp.org</a>
><br>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 11:28:34 +1200<br>Subject: Re: [Zoobank-list] zoobank prototype
<br>I understand the desire to link all published data to the correct name.<br>Someone out there has published something vaguely biological and it<br>contains a misspelled name of a species. Obviously this is going to be
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important information, and the species was accurately identified — yeah<br>right (after all they carelessly got the name wrong), but I shouldn't<br>prejudge it. Iubio and Ion can index it. Absolutely fine by me.<br><br>But what has this to do with a register of taxa names? Why should anyone
<br> need to devote any time at all to weeding out this rubbish name from<br>such a register when there is no logic to it being there? It simply<br>doesn't have any of the necessary indicators requiring it to be taken<br>
seriously by a taxonomist, the most obvious of which would seem to be<br>its appearance within a taxonomic context.<br><br>On a positive note — I am fairly confident that the author and 'original<br>description reference (article title) of animal species newly described
<br>since 1978 are accurately represented in the current ZooBank search<br>interface under the 'name info' tag.<br><br>As for the rest of the records ported from ION, well they are a very<br>mixed bag indeed. I would like to see them disappear, because they are
<br>only unverified possibilities of names.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Geoff<br>--<br> Geoff Read <<a href="mailto:g.read@niwa.co.nz" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">g.read@niwa.co.nz
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